Bill Whittle on Standing on Principle and Voting

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Certainly thought provoking... Cross posted at Proof Positive

12 comments:

  1. I respect Bill and value his presentations. I have often run them on my site. And I respect his opinion here.

    Having said that, I disagree with him on one point. And it's a big one.

    Bill doesn't explain how a vote for Romney will help one bit in Illinois, California, Massachusetts, Texas, or any other state that is absolutely certain to go for one of the two terrible candidates the corrupt king makers in the "two party" system have given us.

    That's why I have advocated, in detail, that the country MUST defeat Obama and his ilk, by voting for Romney in any state that is even conceivably "in play."

    I have also advocated that any freedom loving voter in any state that is "safe", by a wide margin, for either candidate, vote for Gary Johnson. I explain that it is NOT a symbolic vote. That it is NOT a "protest" vote. It is a MESSAGE vote.

    A large number of people in those states voting for Johnson sends the GOP the unmistakable message that next time out they better turn sharply towards the liberty/fiscal responsibility agenda or they are finished as a major party. The Dems would be stupid to ignore that message too.

    I respect any qualified citizen's vote for their principles and I expect them, including Bill Whittle, to respect mine.

    To vote for Romney in Illinois is to truly waste a vote for freedom and an end to "Democrat Lite" selections for President.

    I make the case here.
    http://whatwethinkandwhy.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-dems-cant-lose-this-election.html

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    1. Grant,

      While I agree with Bill, I certainly do respect your principles. You do make one point however that I would take issue with. That is the point that a Paul or Johnson vote is a message vote. It is indeed a message vote.

      But is it the loudest message that can be sent? My view is that after a Romney victory is when the real message can be sent. I don't for a second believe a Republican president with a Republican congress and split senate would react to a grassroots Tea Party type protest against bad decisions the way president Obama did.

      The message does not end on election day. In fact that's when it needs to begin. The real message must be a sustained effort to move the government back towards limited government in the form of protests, or rallies etc. on an ongoing basis.

      Not to take away from the sacred right of voting, but a sustained message is the real weapon in the arsenal of limited government proponents.

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    2. I agree that the message only begins after a new President takes office. However, the message I'm talking about is not to the President.

      The message is to the un-elected king-makers. The parties always do what they perceive to be in their best interests, namely getting elected so they may get power. Parties don't exist to make policy, they exist to elect people.

      I fully expect the GOP to cease to exist as a major force in politics at some time in the not too distant future. Good riddance. They are too much like their opponents. The only thing that can save them is to become opposite their opponents, in deed, not in words.

      So the message is to them. Turn to the freedom agenda or perish. THAT message is now so they know that next primary season they are toast if they resist. Since they are mostly interested in power, they may listen.

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    3. "The only thing that can save them is to become opposite their opponents, in deed, not in words."

      I agree with the caveat that they clearly need to do a much better job explaining to an ill-informed electorate why the opposite is a better idea.

      Given their awful performance tonight, perhaps they might start listening. If this is a status quo election then they have completely failed in their messaging, which as you say, could be as a result of their true motivation. Granted.

      But I don't blame the party. The real fault lies with the people of the country for having allowed this to happen.

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  2. Gee, thanks Bill. But I agree with Grant. Therefore my vote goes to Gary Johnson. Oh, and by the way, I live in the one party state, Massachusetts. A deep blue state going to Obama.

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  3. Obama and his radical agenda need to lose -- and lose big. There's only way to ensure that Obama will start packing his backs on the 6th. Vote Romney.

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/155929/

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/sunday-reflection-the-ground-glass-election/article/2512449#.UJXERcXA_k8

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    1. I understand your point, but my vote won't help Romney one iota. My vote against the two party system as it now exists might possibly help.

      No chance to affect the outcome of this election vs possible chance to affect the next one. I'll take possible every time even if the chances are not great.

      No chance vs small chance. I vote small chance.

      God help us no matter what. This election isn't about the parties or the candidates. It's about where the hearts and minds of the citizens are philosophically. Nanny state vs freedom. We will know in a few days.

      If it's nanny state, it's game over. America will have lost it's exceptional-ism forever.

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    2. "God help us no matter what. This election isn't about the parties or the candidates. It's about where the hearts and minds of the citizens are philosophically. Nanny state vs freedom. We will know in a few days."

      Precisely! Well stated.

      "If it's nanny state, it's game over. America will have lost it's exceptional-ism forever."

      As it becomes the "New Europe."

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    3. New Europe: same as Old Europe, just as bankrupt, just as socialist and just as lacking in upward mobility, individual freedom...

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    4. Indeed, point punctuated with reclamation point. Thanks Tim...

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    5. Now is not the time to give up guys. What option out there is any better than America? Seriously. Win lose or draw, this is where the fight for liberty has to be fought.

      Just sayin'.

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