Obama wrong on the American Dream

By Dean_L

Collectivist president claims nobody is successful on their own.  True, in our world of specialization, nobody does everything alone.  For example, Bill Gates in building Microsoft, had to buy pencils - Microsoft didn't invent and create their own pencils and pens, and office furniture.  But to claim that the Pilot pen company had a hand in Windows development is a stretch.  Did the workers at Microsoft contribute though?

Certainly.  But they were paid for their work.  The vision, the drive, the true energy was from the founder.  Let me give you a better example.

Via Fox News, here's what the president said:
“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me because they want to give something back,” the president said. “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. ... If you’ve got a business you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
Here's Anne Morrow Lindbergh on her husband Charles' success:
He's been made an American hero, I think. And partly that he did it alone and I think that's quite American, actually, to do things alone.
Seems like they disagree.  It's hard to argue that Charles Lindbergh had a lot of help in his Atlantic crossing.  It was just him and his plane.  President Obama, like Elizaebeth Warren, is wrong.

14 comments:

  1. Seems a whole lot like the rhetoric spouted against the "Kulak" in 1920s Russia.

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  2. Indeed no one is an island unto him or herself.

    Knowledge is, and this should be self evident, the result of many seeking answers to the unknown so all society can benefit.

    Success however is the INDIVIDUAL application and use of such knowledge to further and better their circumstances in life.

    In this process the "builders" often create opportunity for others through their efforts to achieve and built success for themselves.

    Something our president possibly fails to grasp.

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  3. the individual risks all in their investment. the risk is not shared.

    this is directly opposed to the president's theory on investment and risk.

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  4. More collectivist drivel from the Orwell Writing Group, Liberal ScriptWizard 2012. Remember that Rowan Gaither said that the purpose of the Ford Foundation was to so drastically alter life in the United States so as to make it compatible with the Soviet Union. Obama is just carrying the torch down the pike.

    The Lindberghs most likely had their baby killed by the banksters for standing up like good Americans against the Fed and against the banksters contrived WW1- my little theory. The did established the American First League and were opposed to everything the progressives wanted to do to our country.

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  5. .

    Speaking of stretching,

    "And partly that he did it alone and I think that's quite American, actually, ..."

    "It's hard to argue that Charles Lindbergh had a lot of help in his Atlantic crossing." Ground crew??

    Yes and John Glenn flew the 'Friendship 7' Mercury spacecraft all by himself without anybody's help. Of course the facts that large numbers of teams of people worked selflessly together and sacrificed for the sake of collective success, both Glenn's and Linbergh's, seems to be completely overlooked by certain types of people.

    So go ahead, when was anyone successful by himself?

    Ema Nymton
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  6. So Ema, do you discount Einstein because he was not the only scientist in history?

    Collectivist thought and calling success "luck" is just mindless drivel that people tell themselves to feel better. All that can be given is opportunity and that was paid for in blood by the enslaved "subjects" who broke from the state owned utopia of kings.

    Instead of feeling envy for the success of others, appreciate our successes, failures and choices that are in sum known as freedom.

    You can be sure that the more collectivism calls into question the ability of the individual, the less opportunity will be made availaible by the "selfless", soulless, immoral, uncaring utopian state.

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    1. Maybe I was harsh, another way to make this point is from thousands of years ago in the Tao te Ching:

      We join spokes in a wheel, but it is the center hole that makes the wagon move.
      We use wood to build a house, but it is the inner space that makes it livable.

      The point is that people do not live in structure, structure is used by people to create and live. To credit life to the structure is to not understand the builder or the people.

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  7. Adam Smith called it "labor specialization" or some such thing. The shoemaker can concentrate on making shoes because he knows the farmer will bring food to market and will need shoes. No gub'ment needed, except to skew it to someone's advantage.

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  8. ema-
    i beleive the point being made is that the quote "If you’ve got a business you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” is entirely ignorant of what entepreneurs actually have to deal with. the quote takes away any kind of accolades for success by taking a chance on one's own.

    i think you misconstrue the mercury v limberg analogies. what limberg did was a private venture. the mercury program was a governmental program. the two are distinct in their funding, mission, and nature, so the analogies are incompatible to the discussion.

    now with respect to limberg's ground crew...

    did the ground crew fly the plane and risk their lives? did the ground crew pay the ground crew? who bought the tools for the ground crew? did the ground crew use their own money to build the aircraft? did the ground crew purchase the aircraft? did the ground crew purchase the gasoline? what risk did the ground crew assume, if any?

    limberg raised the necessary capital for his venture by taking on private investors as well as risking his own wealth. the prize was eternal fame and the sizeable orsteig reward.

    this is what entrepreneurs do.

    and in the end it came down to one man in one airplane risking all for success. this is why it is widely known that limberg was the first to go nonstop from new york to paris. the history books do not state that it was "limberg, his ground crew, and private investors" for a reason. and said books do not (yet)state that obama was involved.

    when you apply the above obama quote to limbaugh's risk, obama comes off as an ignorant simpleton with no real concept of what entrepreneurs do or what they are risking. to say what he said is an insult.

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  9. Did Charles Lindbergh build his own plane? Did he build the landing strips? Did he fetch his own oil, refine his own fuel, grow and roast his own coffee? Did he invent the radio or the navigation tools? When you say nothing is built alone, you acknowledge that you have benefited from your schooling (usually public school for most of us), you benefited from paved roads, police to keep order (it's real hard to run a business in an anarchy - unless you're selling guns!), clean water - a myriad of things that We The People have banded together to provide for ourselves. It is actually the essence of humility to acknowledge these things.

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  10. your comment does nothing to address the risk assumed by the entepreneur vs. risk assumed by the collective. you also ignore that the entrepreneur pays for the infrastructure at a rate similar to, if not more than, the average person in the collective.

    "Did Charles Lindbergh build his own plane?" no. he used his own money and invested capital to make the decision to buy a lighter plane based on his personal experience. see what the failures of his predecessors taught him.

    "he fetch his own oil, refine his own fuel, grow and roast his own coffee?" nope. again. money. personal. see above.

    "Did he invent the radio or the navigation tools?" no. but he used his own money to buy them, and invested time to learn how to use said inventions.

    "When you say nothing is built alone, you acknowledge that you have benefited from your schooling (usually public school for most of us), you benefited from paved roads, police to keep order (it's real hard to run a business in an anarchy - unless you're selling guns!), clean water - a myriad of things that We The People have banded together to provide for ourselves. It is actually the essence of humility to acknowledge these things."

    but that's not what obama said. he took out all credit to the entrepreneur. he didn't say "you didn't build ALL of that". he said "you didn't build that".

    given his personal history, we are to take his words at face value. it is the essence of humility to give credit where credit is due, and that's directly to the guy who did it on his own.

    from instapundit this morning:
    “He didn’t invent iron ore and blast furnaces, did he?”

    “Who?”

    “Rearden. He didn’t invent smelting and chemistry and air compression. He couldn’t have invented his Metal but for thousands and thousands of other people. His Metal! Why does he think it’s his? Why does he think it’s his invention? Everybody uses the work of everybody else. Nobody ever invents anything.”

    She said, puzzled, “But the iron ore and all those other things were there all the time. Why didn’t anybody else make that Metal, but Mr. Rearden did?”

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  11. .

    Murdoch Media/Fox Network, lying, told you, Mr Obama said:
    “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

    In truth, Mr Obama said:

    “Let me tell you something. There are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that.”

    You have in front of you, a direct quote of what the man said. A second entity tells you the man said something HE DID NOT SAY, a lie. You choose to side with the liar.

    The saddest part of all this, is Murdoch Media/Fox Networks know Mr Obama was talking about ‘roads and bridges’ and Murdoch Media/Fox Networks do not care that they are lying to _you_! Murdoch Media/Fox Networks know you (and thousands of other suckers) will soil yourself over the lie without thinking. The amazing thing is that you willingly and ignorantly believe the bull sh!t from Murdoch Media/Fox Networks that’s handed to gullible, low-information folks like you, and then parade your ignorance as though it’s something to be proud of.


    What does this say about _YOU_, that you are willing to allow such illegitimate deceitfulness? Why would any honest people ever want to join ‘your side, if you are willing to align yourself with liars?’

    Ema Nymton
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    1. Watch the unedited video Ema. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=192oEC5TX_Q

      The president is creating yet another straw man argument. Have you heard anyone here say that they wanted individually run personal fire departments? Has anyone said we don't need teachers? Sure perhaps non-government schools, but teachers are necessary. Roads? Successful private businesses contributed their fair share to those roads. The Internet? The government portion/percentage of patent filings is probably quite low. The Internet is a red herring example. I could go on but your points are tired and trite.

      You accuse us of being gullible Ema? Laughable.

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    "You accuse us of being gullible Ema?" I question you!

    What does this say about _YOU_? Why are you are willing to allow such illegitimate deceitfulness by Murdoch Media/Fox Networks?!?

    Ema Nymton
    ~@:o?
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