Albany Oregon Residents - Banned American Flags


by the Left Coast Rebel
How about that for a headline? Reading here at the KATU from Oregon, the story -

ALBANY, Ore. - At the Oaks Apartments in Albany, the management can fly their own flag advertising one and two bedroom apartments - but residents have been told they can't fly any flags at all.

Jim Clausen flies the American flag from the back of his motorcycle. He has a son in the military heading back to Iraq, and the flag - he said - is his way of showing support."This flag stands for all those people," said Clausen, an Oaks Apartment resident. "It stands for the people that can no longer stand - who died in wars. That's why I fly this flag."

But to Oaks Apartment management, Clausen said,
the American flag symbolizes problems.H
e was told to remove the red, white and blue from both of his rides, or face eviction Even long-time residents like Sharron White, who has flown a flag on her car for eight years, has been told to take it down. White said management told her that "someone might get offended."

Before my libertarian readers go off on me as well, I must admit that this action is the property owner's right, as I believe in an absolute right to property. Reading this report, however it seems that the flag issue is not an HOA-type nuttery case, (I resided in a neighborhood that had strict rules), and clearly the man with the flag on his motorycle being harassed and threatened with eviction tells the story here.

Which means that it is a classic anti-American moonbattery case.
And why not? There are forces in our country that hate everything about America with every fiber of their being.....
From the Ivory towers of top Universtities, the halls of Congress, and all the way down to moonbats on main street.

Via Memeorandum.
UPDATE: Reader William in Oregon had this to say about the story -
LCR, this is no surprise, seeing that Oregon is filled with enviro-idiots,including convicted eco-terrorists, communists and a wide assortment of hate America as the founding fathers saw it crowd.

I thought Albany was a little more on the right, as are most of the small farming and ranching communities in the Willamette Valley. But the creeps who run this state, act like community organizers (agitators). This means, while they hate automobiles, they still use them to travel from town to town to stir up trouble.

UPDATE: Griper weighs in as well, BTW, read this and get a taste of the man't intellect. Visit his site frequently -
I hate to burst anyone's bubble on this but it appears to me there is a conflict of rights here, property rights and the right of speech. Which takes priority over the other?And if the issue is about property rights then what property are we talking about?I've always considered property rights takes priority over the right of speech. I say this because I have the right to restrict the speech of anyone who is in my home. And I think each of you would agree that you have the same right when someone is in your home. This is especially true if someone uses language in my home that i consider as offensive and if that person insists on using that language I believe I have a right to tell them to leave. (an eviction, in a sense)

Now, in regards to property rights, are we speaking of the vehicles which is the rightful property of their owners, thus giving them the right to adorn their vehicles
with the flag? Or are we speaking of the property on which that vehicle is parked and driven over which is the property of another person, thus needing to see it as a privilege which the owner has a right to regulate? And if the owner has a right to regulate, we cannot call it harrassment.And in the this case, calling a declaration of eviction for noncompliance a threat rather than a warning is subjective to one's thinking rather than being objective. And we, who love liberty cannot afford to allow ourselves to think in this manner. It is playing right into the hands of socialism which depends on subjectivity of thought.
Food for thought, and I do believe him to be correct.

19 comments:

  1. Believe it or not, this news actually hit two local radio stations, albeit conservative talk radio stations, here in The People's Republic of Eugene.

    Amazing how we on the right, from all over the country connect via the internet. I just received an e-mail from Right Guy, this morning, about this story.

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  2. @ William - Any angle on this that you would wish to add since you reside in close proximity?

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  3. Disgusting isn't it? I heard about this yesterday and blogged about it as well. Pissed me off big time.

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  4. Tim, this no surprise, seeing that Oregon is filled with enviro-idiots, including convicted eco-terrorists, communists and a wide assortment of hate America as the founding fathers saw it crowd.

    I thought Albany was a little more on the right, as are most of the small farming and ranching communities in the Willamette Valley. But the creeps who run this state, act like community organizers (agitators). This means, while they hate automobiles, they still use them to travel from town to town to stir up trouble.

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  5. I heard about this morning. Who would be insulted by the American Flag? If you are insulted by it, maybe you consider living in another country.

    Thanks for the kind words on my post about abortion.

    You need to check out this video. It is a commerical from Starbucks. I would post it myself, but for some reason I can't load videos on my blog. I find it so hard to believe that Starbucks would take such a stand against conservatively 100M people who show up at tea parties.

    http://www.breitbart.tv/starbucks-spoofs-town-hall-protests-in-new-ad/

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  6. @ Consgirl - You are quite welcome. Believe it or not, I actually saw that ridiculous video during a football game at a friend's house. I wish that I had put it up here sooner. Thanks for the link.....

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  7. mmmmm, hate to burst anyone's bubble on this but it appears to me there is a conflict of rights here, property rights and the right of speech. which takes priority over the other?
    and if the issue is about property rights then what property are we talking about?
    i've always considered property rights takes priority over the right of speech. i say this because i have the right to restrict the speech of anyone who is in my home. and i think each of you would agree that you have the same right when someone is in your home. this is especially true if someone uses language in my home that i consider as offensive. and if that person insists on using that language i believe i have a right to tell them to leave. (an eviction, in a sense)

    now, in regards to property rights, are we speaking of the vehicles which is the rightful property of their owners thus giving them the right to adorn their vehicles with the flag or are we speaking of the property on which that vehicle is parked and driven over which is the property of another person, thus needing to see it as a privilege which the owner has a right to regulate? and if the owner has a right to regulate then we cannot call it harrassment.
    and in the this case, calling a declaration of eviction for noncompliance a threat rather than a warning is subjective to one's thinking rather than being objective. and we, who love liberty cannot afford to allow ourselves to think in this manner. it is playing right into the hands of socialism which depends on subjectivity of thought.

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  8. Who owns the property American Citizens?

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  9. Maybe a Starbucks Boycott is in order. Fastest way to get a liberal to STFU is to deprive them of their income.

    Too many stores anyway, too expensive for what you get and their coffee is over-roasted to bitterness in my opinion.

    Try Cafe Caboclo (Brazilian). MUCH BETTER! And in pre-compliance with FTC rules,

    I, Libertarian Advocate, hereby certify that I have received no compensation of any kind, tangible or intangible, in exchange for my endorsement of the product herein-before referenced. /sarc off

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  10. I'd like to read the rental agreement. The renter has certain property rights as well, since he is paying to stay there. If the contract states something about flags or decoration with regards to offending people, or some other clause that could be construed as such and the tenant signed it, then the tenant is bound. On the other hand, dictating terms about personal property of the tenant, such as a car or motorcycle seems to be an infringement to me, especially if it is something that is not covered in the rental contract. Property are not necessarily absolute when consideration is given for usage of it. It becomes some of a tort matter based on the contract, at least that is what I would assume.

    Of course, there is something to be said for common decency and common sense. What the heck the landlord is thinking is beyond me. It sounds like he has an axe to grind.

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  11. I am more of a libertarian these days. I see no reason to go off on this. You pegged it right. They are attacking personal property rights. They can do whatever they want with the structure of the building--like rules saying you can mount a flag pole holder to the building. These flags are mounted to their personal vehicle. I think they would have gotten a big middle finger up their nose had they told me I was required to take the flag off of my car. I know that's not good manners, but geez!

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  12. @ William - Thanks for the note, I ammended the post with it.

    @ Griper - I see your points here and actually agree. What this topic points me to is the moonbat hatred that some have for America. However, this property owner has the right to do this. The vehicle issue, notwithstanding.

    @ Libertarian Adv - Do they have Cafe Caboclos here in CA?

    @ Rightguy - I would too, as I said to Griper here, this is an issue of prop rights BUT points to massive moonbattery at the same time.

    @ BB - Great points, I may have done the same, everyone has their breaking point.

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  13. @Tim:
    I am sure it is moonbattery, but in these cases landlords usually act within the contract, or more aptly put, use it as cover. If the contract does cover what the landlord did, then the tenant should stand his ground and find another place to live. In fact, no matter what he should find another place to live.

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  14. I don't see the threat. It's not like the flag of the US could eventually become banned from many locations in the US. I've read that the RE bust is hurting landlords. It's hard to think they will win by banning flags.

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  15. Yes, this is a property rights issue. Having been a landlord/investor for well over twenty years, I would have to side with the property owner. After all, I would raise plenty of hell, with a tenant who puts "Vote for... any Democrat" on my front lawns. And I put such a clause in my rental contracts. NO POLITICAL SIGNS, without my written approval.

    My earlier comment had nothing to do with property rights; only the fact that it came as no surprise, having lived in one of the most liberal states in the union.

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  16. Tim: Sadly, Caboclo is not a coffee store chain, just a brand of Brazilian coffee.

    I rarely ever go to Star*ucks, in part because I don't much like their, "culture", coffee and prices, but also because I rarely drink the stuff past 10:00 AM. For some reason I only like the taste and effect of it in the early to mid morning.

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  17. I wonder if the rental lease has a clause in it that states anything about CURTAINS or Window blinds. I can't see a clause that says you can't hang a curtain in your window. I am offering my service as a seamstress to make as many American Flag curtains to cover as many windows as anyone wants. Can't fly a flag, but you sure can hang a curtain...... so what that it happens to look like the American flag, from last i saw, there is no laws against personal taste and decorating... Just a thought.

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  18. See, I told you I was born in the liberal Mecca...this is my hometown, I call it Stinkytown....they stink, literally, the town smells from the paper mill....

    Ah, Albany....I don't miss it enough to move back

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  19. Albany used to be a little more on the right, in response to Williams comment. But the town is no longer recognizable when I travel there.

    I have family there, I have family buried there as well...and it is almost completely inundated with migratory workers, who just love liberal politicians.

    The city is growing extensively more corrupt. I was uneasy when I had to travel and stay there last fall (2008).

    There are conservatives in the Willamette Valley, but they are scattered and dispersed in the much smaller towns without universities.

    Believe it or not I saw McCain Palin bumper stickers in 08...but they were few. I was glad to come back home and leave the land of fruits and nuts....

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